could the universe began with complete zero?-could it has start point zero?

[icarus5]

could the universe began with complete zero?-could it has start point zero?

even if the universe is very old ,or very big,but could he has a start point that is complete zero,only the time coordinate been on,but all the other point where been with the size of zero??
i even wrote a bout this at www.icarus5.com ,and i will like to know what is youe opinion........

cohen avshalom charly
israel/haifa
icarus5-universe at time minus

[Uzukin]

I personally agree with sacred geometry/ and Taoism on this one.
See in sacred geometry there is the idea that time doesn't exist in some kind of substantial way, its just an idea, just information. its the belief that the universe starts out as one, no separation. There is no you or me, there just IS. Then there is the idea of separation, or another BEING. its sort of complicated to explain without drawing it out though, so you might want to check youtube.com and search Sacred Geometry, Or The Flower Of Life.

Taoism puts it in another way. that there IS no past or future the only thing that IS is the present or as they put it, the Eternal now. The also say the universe is born from nothing, or what can be interpenetrated as No-thing-ness not meaning nothing at all, but "nothing else". I don't think it would ever be Zero, as in actually having nothing, but more like Awareness not being aware of anything other then itself, and since you cannot LOOK at your own eyes with your own eyes you wouldn't be aware of anything. just my take on it

[icarus5]

any thinks as his period of time
from: flower,butterfly,human,star,galaxy,universe-but only the time was before and will be after.
the period of time life for the universe ,just like his size is very very very much big,but this is for human eyes.
ok if we will thinks about the universe like a dvd movie,but this movie is not 90/120 minute (just that this is with billion and billion years),the watch on my hand will be before the movie while the movie and after the movie will be finish.
the zero point has one probleam and this the first and second low of the thermodynamics ,and this is the creation question(who could somethink been,from nothing,and nothing from nothing is not passible),so who creat this all,so this is one approach,but i am suggesting anther access,and i say that if not only material is changing state but aslo area could change state,that mean the energy/mass could creat if you will been convert area(with out the mass/and energy),to energy.and hint for black hole,super nova area,and the edge of the universe for event that will be good example,for such action.
i am also hint that that kind of energy is what allow the universe the right kind of energy to stay with his size and shape else the universe has not enough power/energy and he was function as a frozen object....

but till now i did not get to much help to my idea/theory.
so it may be take some time till people will be respond for such theory...


cohen avshalom charly
israel/haifa
icarus5-universe at time minus (www.icarus5.com)

[icarus5]

ok-i just edit and fix the cut at the reposting

[TheDemiprist]

A zero, a sphere, whatever we call it...it can contain expanding space-time and is possible (because it already happened) and doesn't necessarily require to be called 'creation' or an effect from a single cause 'creator'. Doesn't mean I deny that cause, but it would have to be codependent on something else (other sentience perhaps? potential energy waves?) in order to have access in the 'creating' action of the universe.

It can also be seen as the death or decay of a former non material, physical, 'reality' before the explosion or 'creation' (I don't know you're preferences or beliefs, so forgive if I happen to insult
on accident).

"nothing from nothing is not possible". First we would have to identify the 'nothing' - or so they're called anyways. To determine these possibilities. Wind, radiation, and even thoughts aren't fully perceivable but this doesn't make them impossible. The human brain can only contain so much information at any certain length of time, it's limited.

"i am suggesting anther access,and i say that if not only material is changing state but aslo area could change state,that mean the energy/mass could creat if you will been convert area (without the mass/and energy),to energy.and hint for black hole,super nova area,and the edge of the universe for event that will be good example, for such action. i am also hint that that kind of energy is what allow the universe the right kind of energy to stay with his size and shape else the universe has not enough power/energy and he was function as a frozen object."

I can't fully respond here, but I'll do my best. Alternatives are never 'bad' thoughts, firstly. So I'm
glad you presented this. By 'area' do you mean space? A supernova requires time to produce itself, it's small in comparison too the 'big bang' but it's also a fragmentation of that energy release or expansion. The black hole is plausible though, since there wouldn't really be a light to be reflecting from the outside (where the 'creator' is?) it must adapt time and other possible situations from foreign but not too distant universe's or ether maelstrom. The universe doesn't exactly have
an 'edge' to speak of, unless you're speculating about the Bible universe wherein we have a
flat Earth and Young universe supposedly. That 'edge' still wouldn't exist, because 'God' didn't
let anyone beyond the firmament too actually take note of other bodies and entities in space.
It's self supplying for heat (allot of stars), and decays (it's decay is coldness, ours is dead flesh).
The universe could perhaps 'slide' in it's outer rotation if there is one to speak of, thus keeping
heat for the stars ready for the next cycle.

A visual would help, if you don't mind sending one too me?
Thanks.
~TD